Gays, Women, and the GOP – Rant Roundup

More and more I’ve been seeing posts about “The GOPs War on Women”. Which is sort of funny because gays have less rights than women at the moment and if you’re a gay woman, god help you. Generally it goes something like “Limbaugh said something, look at it!” and it’s a video of Rush or someone saying something inflammatory. I usually just post back the Bill Maher video.

But, something more recently dawned on me. People don’t get it. People, if they bother to respond at all to the Maher video, usually defend it with “oh but it’s humor”. On the face of it, Rush too hosts a program which is just humor, or just commentary. The issue goes a little bit deeper than this, it’s not that the GOP or the Republicans or the Democrats have a war on women, it’s that you wouldn’t say these things in the workplace. (I actually had someone yell at me for posting the Maher video to their page in response because they did watch it at work, with the volume up, completely ignoring the warning in the first 5 seconds). This isn’t particularly about a “war on women”, from any particular side, this is about the permissiveness and moral decrepitude of the average voter. I wouldn’t make a racist joke at work anymore than I would make a joke about a woman at work. If you wouldn’t make the joke at work, why is it then OK to make these jokes about women from either political party? Call misogyny as misogyny and realize these are two sides of the same coin. This means both parties engage in this sort of things.

On the issue of gay rights it actually is even more subtle. The Republicans are the traditional boogeymen of gay rights, but has a Democrat President actually made gay marriage legal? So much anger and noise is invested in making a boogeyman for people to direct their rage towards that no-one has noticed the Democrats have done absolutely nothing for the gay rights issue. The best we’ve come up with is moving it to a states rights issue. This is a band-aide at best because we’ve otherwise codified the idea of marriage at the federal level (tax code). Really the only politician who has carried the Gay Marriage idea to the logical conclusion as it stands today is Ron Paul. If we got rid of the tax code, it really would be a states rights issue. This is the point of the entire rant though – neither party has worked to actually affirm or deny gay rights at the federal level.

On the idea of religious freedom for those of us who roll our own theology, this is another great place to point out the Democrats doing nothing for us. The Democrats have taken the separation of church and state to the point where any showing of religion is treated poorly. By the same token, the Republicans have embraced religion, but it’s usually ascribed as “Christianity”. Funny thing is though, three decades ago it was Catholicism. Now it’s “Mainsteam Christianity”. Now they’re talking about running a Mormon, and the only people who seem to have noticed he’s a Mormon are the Democrats. In terms of progressive religion, the Republicans are more open about discussing theology than the Democrats. You would think the party who was offended by the G word (God) would have already helped out with the other G word (gays) but when it comes time to put their money where their mouth is, it hasn’t happened. Instead they’re happy to accuse other people of being religiously motivated, but then they can’t execute when they’re supposedly “free” from such hangups.

The biggest problem here – a government which doesn’t want to acknowledge the divine – is that laws become inherently secular. What secular states have we seen in the past? The south before the civil war. World War 2 Germany. Can we cite any examples of states which allow for religion without being religious? Sweden comes to mind. It’s possible to find a middle ground here, but it’s also possible to be too far right or left. To be too far right subscribes to religious dogma and things would probably look like the Middle East, and to be too liberal results in comments from politicians comparing women to animals. Of course they’re animals – if you work from a worldview that there’s nothing particularly special about humans then we’re just particularly bald apes. The middle ground is to acknowledge that people are religious without espousing a religion. We can’t do that if we vote for the party that doesn’t talk about religion at all. (Actually this is the paintbrush of the Democrat Smear Machine. Don’t talk about religion so that anyone who even listens to Dishwalla’s “Counting Blue Cars” can be questioned).

On that theme of acknowledging things for what they are, we must also seek to understand things completely. A frightening number of people simply didn’t read the recent Georgia abortion law proposal about transvaginal ultrasounds. Instead, they reacted to a soundbite or the hilariously bad Huffington Post op ed on an op ed. “This person said women are animals!” isn’t thinking about the path this person took to get there, it’s simply an animal reaction to a comment without realizing that the apex of subscribing to evolution and denying the divine is that people are ultimately just very clever animals. This is where we know where people are married with kids, or pregnant. The unmarried, reactionist people operating on an animal level say “I wouldn’t want that in me!” But this is really the point. This medical tool didn’t spring gestalt from the pages of the proposed bill, whirring and throbbing veins intact. This medical tool (a transvaginal ultrasound device) has a legitimate purpose in pregnancy and it’s used by doctors all the time for pregnancy situations which might require surgery. What is abortion if not surgery? Do you really want the doctor grabbing around in there blind?

This previous paragraph is mostly for naught. If anyone had actually read the proposal, they would have seen the text included an opt out for this particular part of the procedure provided there was not a medical necessity to use the device for the protection of the mother during the course of the procedure. You can read HB 954 here. Also included was the objection that anesthesia drove the cost of the abortion up out of reach of “low income unprivileged women”. Lets think about that for a moment – why anesthesia? Because doctors who perform fetal surgery during and after the 2nd trimester know the fetus feels pain and that it will abort if it’s not anesthetized. So think about that, we’re performing abortions on fetuses, who we know from the medical establishment feel pain. Just because you can’t hear or see the pain doesn’t make it any more right than it wouldn’t be murder if I taped your mouth shut and dumped gasoline all over you. Why didn’t anyone bring this up? Because to acknowledge that the fetus feels pain and should be anesthetized because it’s the decent thing to do also acknowledges that the fetus is a person who has rights and we should be decent to our fellow people. But you can’t say that. We would rather call it a child in surgery and a fetus in an abortion setting so we can save a few dollars.

How do we fix this?

The average American voter won’t read the bills. Why anyone would participate in the political process without actually reading the results of the process is beyond me. How do we assess the performance of the governance of the state without reading the laws and proposals? To fix this situation, people need to actually start reading house bills and proposals rather than reading Fox News and Huffington Post. It’s fine to use them as a jumping off point, but half the things posted to Huffpo, for instance, wouldn’t pass muster on Wikipedia. If your source is an “anonymous doctor” and the blog “deletes stupid comments”, not only are you not getting a balanced discussion, but you’re not getting an article anyone would take seriously. Why would you base your political opinions on that?

Read the house bills. Read the proposals. Finally, remember that politicians should be judged both on what they are doing but also on what they’re not doing.

Kagan and the Supreme Court

NY Times has a piece on Kagan. Grain of salt warning – they make her come off as really centrist, but lets also recall she was a holdover from the Clinton administration. The tobacco laws, the whole wine shipping issue, the “assault weapons” ban and such – she was a part of all that.

Things I do not like:

  • Don’t ask don’t tell – she wants to do away with it. Frankly the military is a lifestyle, and to quote R Lee Ermey, “I don’t think they would like it very much if they let me into the woman’s [housing], isn’t that the same thing?” Now I tend to think that relationships among a soldier and a civilian are different things, I feel the spirit of the law is to keep your sex and relationships to people who aren’t soldiers. Would it be appropriate to sleep with your boss? Now imagine that, for your job, not only did you sleep with your coworkers, but you had to bathe with them and spend endless amounts of time with them – literally years at a time. I’ve had shorter relationships than people I know on deployment. It’s not an issue about being straight or gay so much as it’s an issue about what is and is not appropriate in the workplace.
  • Same sex marriage versus constitutional theory – This is one thing a lot of people do which pisses me off. They swear to god they’ll uphold the spirit of the constitution, but then they say gay marriage is OK. I’m personally in the camp that if you want to marry a horse, and that horse is a guy, and you’re a guy, this is A-OK! Marry that horse and have a same sex marriage while you’re at it. Now she also wrote “there is no federal constitutional right to same sex marriage”. Now, here’s the problem for my military friends and family – she wants to do away with “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” but then she says “There’s no federal [issue] with same sex marriage”. Actually, there is a federal issue with same sex relationships and “states rights” only works when you’re not really interested in supporting someone’s rights. So either she doesn’t really believe in bullet #1 or she doesn’t believe in bullet #2. I personally don’t see the middle ground.

Things I do like:

  • The second amendment is an individual right.
  • Financing for Faith Based Groups – I don’t see what the problem is which people have here. People’s religion is very personal to them. If the Muslims got their own TV station paid for by the government, I wouldn’t watch it. But that’s just me. Point being you’re not likely to up and walk into a mosque one day just because the government is giving out greenbacks. That being said, I tend to think the government should fund things a whole lot less, including foreign aid.
  • Warrantless Wiretaps and Enemy Combatants – she’s sticking to the Bush interpretation of this which says if you’re donating money to Al Quaeda, you’re now a combatant and don’t have civil rights.

Letter to the PLCB

Declaring war on the state…

To whom it may concern at the PLCB,

WRT: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20100308_Troopers_raid_popular_bars_for_unlicensed_beers__Dozens_of_gallons_seized_after__citizen_complaint_.html

No-one in their right mind believes this was a “citizen complaint”. PA has long since had possibly the worst licensing and distribution system of any state I’d have the pleasure of visiting, and the PLCB is anything but a monopoly. As such no-one believes that any citizen would have both the insight and understanding of how this draconian establishment works enough to report “improperly licensed” beer. More on the point I sincerely doubt given the quality of the average state trooper or PLCB employees language skills that anyone in either of those two establishments would be able to read the barrels or beer names, most of which would be labeled in Belgian German or Flemish.

Even more on the point – it’s been legal for tobacconists to have “house blends” of tobacco, but in reality these tobacconists are selling tobacco purchased under another name. Yet no-one walks into Grandpa’s tobacco shop with state troopers armed to the teeth and says “OH YOUR TOBACCO IS MISLABELED”.

I will also submit a CONTACT THE GOVERNOR form and CC him.

As a result of this action, I’ve created a sign up sheet in my neighborhood to hold a workshop this weekend. This weekend I will teach approximately 17 people to make their own beer.

Sincerely,
Joshua Knarr

Anyone Remember Conflict: Middle East Political Simulator?

Conflict MEPS gave me many hours of enjoyment simply because it’s something familiar – the middle east – and the politics were pseudorandom. Plus you play as the underdog (Israel) for real fun.

There’s a remake, which is fairly true to the spirit of David Eastman. Barring that there’s hosts of the original title, free and legal. The original keeps the bugs. It was written in C, so there’s overflows, what but I find amusing now that it’s almost 20 years after it was made is that these bugs and overflows actually contribute to the fact that the middle east is insane and unpredictable – JUST LIKE STACK OVERFLOWS.

GM Closes Hummer, Greenfags Rejoice

I’ve been watching GM wind down with some passive interest. I’m into cars and I have fond memories of the Chevy Corsica I used to own. Buicks are generally junk and the Lumina my wife (then girlfriend) owned was beat, but GM (like most automakers) was doing The Right Thing back in the early 1990s.

GM was trying to sell it’s brands around. Koenigsegg was going to buy SAAB (fell through) and Spyker was going to buy Saturn (fell through). Some company in China was going to buy Hummer. Now, the problem with China is that they copy everything. GM (and others) had to sue Lifan (and others) over literally stealing the look and feel of GM products and making them out of crap parts. The copies are so good that motorcycle forums were discussing buying lifan knockoffs and putting actual parts on them for Yamahas, etc.

Anyway, GM brands do badly so they shut them down. This isn’t any great loss to GM because Pontiac parts fit Saturns and Chevies just alike. They build one engine and frame and electrical system and dress it up 100 different ways to sell it to you. Toyota does this to the extreme with scion. The part I find lolzy is that green groups are lauding the demise of hummer. A few finer points for readers not buying the hype. Hummers, as sold to the military, are HMMVs and entirely different than the hummer you’re buying in the store. The military hummer needs to work with the stockpile of military parts. The hummer you’re buying from the hummer lot is actually a GM pickup with different trim. I guess if your goal is to save the planet by making it look better, getting big boxy trucks off the road is a win. In terms of actually changing anything – nothings really been accomplished. That engine in the H1/2/3 is the same engine in every junkyard GM truck out there.

Politics From the Bayside and Whale Wars

I really like the band RISE AGAINST. However, I hate their support of PETA, and since they’ve enjoined their music, and their profits to PETA, I’m glad I have the ability to not pay for their music via the magic of the internet while still enjoying it.

PROTIP to punk bands out there – also METALLICA – don’t make political statements and then cry foul when people download your music instead of supporting your politics with your money. LOL, CAPITOLISMS!

Speaking of PETA, I at least respect the guy on WHALE WARS. First time he runs across a Russian whaling ship though, expect him to catch an RPG with his face. The fact that he only attacks the Japanese speaks volumes. The worst part about it is he’s taking food off the Japs plates. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sympathetic to responsible management of wildlife, but they fail it quite badly. It’s not like you go to Black Market McDonalds over in Japland and buy a whale burger. This is a land where fishing is like farming to Americans, and the Sea Sheppards really are taking food off the plates of the Japanese.

Now, I do believe they have a point where they accuse the Japanese of writing “RESEARCH” on the side of their boats instead of WHALING. However, I take this as the Japanese meme of avoiding confrontation. On that note, the captain getting shot isn’t nearly as likely as one of their “stink grenades” going off and tagging him. The fact that he’s like “OH MAH BADGE SAVED ME” just lends credence to the idea.

Furthermore the show isn’t forthright with what munitions the Steve Irwin has on board. The crew has tried to create RPGs on their own (photo gallery of expended munitions) and failed. Which is more likely: The Japanese, who are forbidden from owning firearms, shot the captain and somehow missed, or the crew of the Steve Irwin, which is a revolving door of idiots, screwed up an improvised rocket?

More on the point – which is an inappropriate show of force? The Japanese use a “sound gun” against the Steve Irwin (also embarrassing Engrish) or the Steve Irwin uses rockets and hazardous material (acid) against the Japs?

So the next bit to consider is why doesn’t the program show the whales being processed? Why doesn’t it show the rockets? The program wants to perpetuate this myth that somehow “stink bombs” are going to foul up Japanese whaling. (I would speculate if this worked, there would be footage of the Japs dumping the fouled whale meat into the sea). However, you never see the rockets, nor do you ever see whales being processed. Why? Because whales are processed below deck. While it might be unpleasant to work on a whale that stinks, any episode of Dirty Jobs is going to convince you that all dead animals stink, and there’s not much more to be done about it. Since the skin of a whale is pressure cooked to get the oil out, it’s probably thoroughly washed in seawater. A stink bomb might slow them down, but it doesn’t really hurt the Japanese. Hence the rockets.

If you wanted to make the environmental protection argument, ask the crew of the Steve Irwin why they blew the engines (and all the fuel, and all the oil and killed a sailor) into the ocean back in 1997 when they attacked the Nisshin Maru.

Hunters and Shooters Club: Crazy Bullshit

I have a weird relationship with the NRA. They occasionally offer the life membership option at a discount for $300. I would give $300 for a life membership to the NRA. The price used to be $700ish for a long time, now it’s up to $1000. My parents gave my brother the discounted membership option, then wrote them a letter asking for another one for me. What I got was a subscription to American Rifleman, which isn’t bad, but they billed me for the $1000. I wrote CANCEL on the bill and sent it back and in typical giant company fashion, they kept sending me magazines and eventually a nastygram for not paying the bill. The magazines have since stopped, so obviously someone is paying attention, but I don’t understand the psychological imperative behind sending someone magazines who is wholly delinquent on their bills. Or a nastygram, it’s just not worth the effort, especially when their billing department is obviously not paying attention.

I was curious about the North American Hunting Club, but their magazine is more like a series of advertisements rather than any particular critical review. To their credit – their reviews of things like whitetail feed were spot on and thorough, but they follow the industry trends of “muzzleloaders are awesome, check out this inline” (not impressed), “check out this new camo pattern!” (illegal in PA), “Check out this scent blocker!” (go roll around in the mud). I don’t know, it’s hard to get excited about “ADVANCES IN HUNTING” when they don’t seem to know the basics. More to the point, when I did try their “trial membership” they were supposed to send me a game cookbook and spices packet. The spices packet was something from a ramen soup factory which didn’t differentiate between white and red meat, and the cookbook was a general How To Cook a Steak manual I could have found on the internet. Certainly it could have nodded towards the essential The Bounty of the Earth, but there’s not even a nod towards this classic of required reading for any hunter. When I canceled they also sent me a nastygram, I don’t get this trend.

While reading up on if Obama (voted “most liberal senator”) was supported by any conservative groups at all after his “vans handing out guns” statement – not to mention saying rural Pennsylvanians cling to “guns, religion, xenophobia” (notice he won’t use the word “racism”) – and the answer is that none of the legitimate ones do. He supports renewing the Assault Weapons Ban, thinks that gun dealers are “dumping guns” (I suppose as a socialist he doesn’t worry about people making a living by selling things), and hasn’t made a single positive statement towards gun ownership. So who does support him and is armed? Why, the American Hunters and Shooters Association!

WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE GUYS?

Talking points on their site:

  • Keep Military Style Weapons in the military
  • We support Obama
  • Outlaw cop killer bullets (not even in quotes, not even used colloquially)
  • We support Obama
  • We dove hunt in Maryland
  • Oh god please don’t notice we have a lot more than 12 birds in that photo per person
  • We support Obama

Who wrote this crap and obviously doesn’t understand that there hasn’t been a rifle built which doesn’t borrow from military design? Ray Schoenke. World class idiot and meat-puppet. Once I figured this out I fired up my Google-fu and found a Michelle Malkin post rounding up the AHSA club and realized, Oh God, Obama is funding shill groups and taking us all as fools…

Saddam Retrospective

George Piro talked to 60 Minutes in this interview. Of course, everyone wants to know about WMDs, but it had some other neat facts in there also. Saddam, for instance, wrote poetry and also enjoyed cookies very much. If you’ve been following the issue, independent reports say that yes, Saddam had WMDs. After the first war in the gulf, about one third went to Syria for safe keeping, one third were destroyed by the US and the UN, and one third were “lost”. Looted. Simply vanished into the desert. There’s postulation they ended up in Russia, who probably would have gladly sold them back to Saddam.

Where things get interesting is when Saddam talks about his plans. He figured that he would have to put up with Clinton-era bombings (which he survived) and that would be that. He stated he hated George Bush (both of them) because they did more than Clinton. He said he had deep respect for Reagan for not resorting to arms to defeat the USSR. Saddam admitted that the WMDs were gone per the UN, but he said that in Arabic channels, he maintained that he hoodwinked the UN. This is important – Saddam said he took a calculated risk to misguide his enemies while complying with the UN. He wanted to be bombed, but not invaded. The question is why? The UN, he said, was powerful enough to wipe him off the map. If he complied with them by making the WMDs go away, which I took to mean sending some to Syria and letting the UN destroy the rest, he could stay in power. However, after the Iran-Iraq War, he knew he needed some kind of ace up his sleeve to prevent another war with Iran and also keep the various islamic tribes in line. To his own people, he lied and said he still had them. The real ace in the hole was that he stashed the equipment and kept the engineers on his payroll. After the bombings or sanctions, he said, he planned on rebuilding the program.

Another tidbit I found interesting, George Piro said that Saddam called Osama Bin Laden brutish and called him an extremist. Al Jazeera is reporting that Saddam called him an infidel. I’m not sure which is the proper translation. Saddam did not say he kept himself seperate from Al Quaeda, and this I think is significant, he merely had some very specific comments on Osama Bin Laden. I would be really curious to ask him for the moral justification between September 11th, and the gassing of the Kurish regions in Iraq, but we’ll never know. Saddam did call the Kurdish genocide “necessary”, but left it at that.

Liveblogging the Republican Debate

(8:01:07 PM) Jon G: http://ronpaulsurvivalreport.blogspot.com/
(8:01:39 PM) Me: this is your blog?
(8:01:51 PM) Jon G: i’m one of the writers
(8:03:36 PM) Me: gold standard
(8:03:36 PM) Me: lol
(8:03:42 PM) Me: THIS IS OLD NEWS ABOUT HTE HIGHWAY
(8:03:50 PM) Jon G: hahahahahaha there is no highway
(8:03:53 PM) Jon G: never
(8:03:55 PM) Jon G: ever
(8:03:59 PM) Jon G: and the amero was made up by hal turner
(8:04:27 PM) Me: notice how he wasn’t invited to the CBS debate tonight?
(8:04:49 PM) Jon G: yeah he was. only ones not invited were on democrat side
(8:05:48 PM) Me: No he wasn’t
(8:05:53 PM) Me: are you smoking gay again?
(8:06:09 PM) Jon G: you might be thinking of the fox news debate. that was actually cancled over 5 weeks before the news broke that he wasn’t invited
(8:07:14 PM) Me: you’re right I am smoking gay
(8:07:16 PM) Jon G: hahahahahahha rudy wants to enact a national id card
(8:07:25 PM) Me: oh please, he’s a facist
(8:07:39 PM) Jon G: i really do hate him. do you want to know why crime dropped in new york?
(8:07:57 PM) Jon G: the previous mayor hired over 500 new police recruits that started when rudy took over
(8:08:26 PM) Me: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/01/politics/main3663863.shtml
(8:08:47 PM) Me: Was it because he printed facism like money?
(8:09:06 PM) Jon G: also busing homeless to neighboring counties
(8:09:19 PM) Me: yeah he should have just set them on fire
(8:10:51 PM) Jon G: hahahahahha i hate romney so much
(8:11:17 PM) Me: I hate everyone but Fred Thompson, and that’s only because I fear him.
(8:11:24 PM) Jon G: yes well
(8:11:36 PM) Jon G: no seriously i hate him so much
(8:11:46 PM) Jon G: thompson is just funny because of law and order
(8:12:33 PM) Me: How come you hate Mitt?
(8:12:35 PM) Me: mitt loves you
(8:12:43 PM) Me: is it because his wife is hot?
(8:12:51 PM) Jon G: his wives you mean
(8:12:58 PM) Me: right, he’s greedy
(8:13:07 PM) Jon G: oh snap, rudy is rolling out the reagan slams
(8:14:14 PM) Me: That is the END of him in the party
(8:14:28 PM) Me: EVERYONE loves reagan
(8:14:31 PM) Me: I even have a tee shirt
(8:14:45 PM) Jon G: no, he was romney since reagan actually supported amnesty for illegals
(8:15:03 PM) Jon G: “reagan is the hero of our party and he supported amnesty” was his quote
(8:15:41 PM) Me: he did not
(8:15:48 PM) Jon G: tell that to rudy
(8:15:50 PM) Me: he said that ANYONE should be able to immigrate and become naturalized
(8:16:07 PM) Me: but that’s distinctly different than letting people in as “guest workers”
(8:16:42 PM) Jon G: god paul looks so tired
(8:16:47 PM) Me: I . . . have thought of America as a place in the divine scheme of things that was set aside as a promised land . . . [A]nd the price of admission was very simple . . . Any place in the world and any person from these places; any person with the courage, with the desire to tear up their roots, to strive for freedom, to attempt and dare to live in a strange and foreign place, to travel halfway across the world was welcome here . . . I believe that God in shedding his grace on this country has always in this divine scheme of things kept an eye on our land and guided it as a promised land for these people.
(8:16:50 PM) Me: that’s reagan
(8:16:53 PM) Me: he should
(8:16:59 PM) Jon G: hey, i didn’t say it rudy did
(8:17:01 PM) Me: he’s delivering another 1000 babies tonight
(8:17:07 PM) Me: Rudy needs to go die
(8:17:12 PM) Me: but you know what won’t kill him?
(8:17:17 PM) Jon G: gold?
(8:17:28 PM) Me: ALL THE GUNS HE GRABBED
(8:17:30 PM) Jon G: oh good, bucktooth faggot is talking now
(8:17:45 PM) Jon G: he wants to build a wall now and thinks we can do it in 1 month
(8:17:49 PM) Me: can I watch this live somewhere?
(8:17:53 PM) Jon G: channel 4
(8:18:02 PM) Me: NO KELLY IS WATCHING GAY, I MEAN ROME
(8:18:06 PM) Jon G: i love rome
(8:18:16 PM) Me: you would, boylover.
(8:19:13 PM) Jon G: http://abcnews.go.com/
(8:19:23 PM) Jon G: WOOO RON PAUL IS TALKING
(8:19:40 PM) Jon G: hahahahahhha “anyone that looks like an immagrint would need an id which opens us for a national id”
(8:19:48 PM) Jon G: HAHAHAHHHA WELFARE STATE
(8:19:49 PM) Jon G: WOOOOO
(8:20:04 PM) Jon G: OH GOD MCCAINS FACE
(8:20:05 PM) Jon G: HAHAHAHAHAH
(8:20:12 PM) Jon G: RON PAUL SAID HOSPITALS SHOULD NOT TREAT ILLEGALS
(8:20:23 PM) Jon G: everyone is staring at him in horror
(8:20:35 PM) Jon G: josh you should have seen mccains face
(8:20:36 PM) Me: I got it
(8:20:38 PM) Jon G: it was sheer horror
(8:20:43 PM) Me: WHAT HAPPENS IF THE HOSPITAL CLOSES?!
(8:20:46 PM) Jon G: HAHAHAHA
(8:20:58 PM) Jon G: I love ron paul so much
(8:21:00 PM) Jon G: you have no idea
(8:22:32 PM) Jon G: cool i hate romney so much
(8:22:46 PM) Me: lol
(8:22:49 PM) Me: wait until it’s free
(8:23:09 PM) Jon G: I can’t wait.
(8:23:32 PM) Me: GO FRED THOMPSON
(8:23:39 PM) Me: OBAMA IS BLACK, LOCK HIM UP.
(8:23:41 PM) Jon G: he looks like he is about to die
(8:23:52 PM) Jon G: but ron’s hands seemed to be shaking a lot
(8:24:19 PM) Me: Fred is really low key
(8:24:22 PM) Me: I blame whiskye
(8:24:26 PM) Jon G: i have no doubt
(8:24:31 PM) Jon G: I HATE ANYONE THAT USES WELFARE STATE
(8:24:38 PM) Jon G: all it means is they dont understand welfare
(8:24:38 PM) Me: IT’S TRUE
(8:24:40 PM) Me: HE WANTS IT
(8:24:43 PM) Me: HE TOTALLY WANTS IT
(8:24:45 PM) Me: YOU KNOW WHY?
(8:24:59 PM) Jon G: ?
(8:25:03 PM) Me: HE’S BLACK
(8:25:08 PM) Me: MCCAIN MADE A FUNNY
(8:25:09 PM) Jon G: hahahahahahha
(8:25:20 PM) Jon G: mccain looks like he got rid of the walnuts in his cheeks
(8:25:29 PM) Me: also the sun
(8:25:36 PM) Me: he looks like a cave fish
(8:25:48 PM) Me: I think I saw one of them once – I was horrified it had a seat on senate.
(8:26:26 PM) Jon G: god i hate rudy
(8:26:38 PM) Jon G: every time he talks i get angry
(8:26:43 PM) Me: Yeah
(8:26:49 PM) Me: he also looks like he needs a red armband
(8:26:53 PM) Me: and a sexy hat
(8:26:54 PM) Jon G: when has obama said he would raise taxes you fucking moron rudy
(8:27:00 PM) Jon G: i just want to hit him
(8:27:22 PM) Me: IN IOWA
(8:27:44 PM) Me: They asked him “how are you going to pay for all this” and he said “our spenocrat masters think we should raise taxes”
(8:28:11 PM) Me: ohhh huckabee thefting the ron paul platform
(8:28:14 PM) Jon G: i know
(8:28:17 PM) Me: also guiliani is drawing a penis
(8:28:30 PM) Jon G: hahahahahaha i think hte republicans know they are fucked so hard
(8:28:41 PM) Jon G: mainly because obama actually got the youth vote
(8:28:48 PM) Me: I doubt that, I think people are incredibly scared of a one party government
(8:28:54 PM) Me: I’m not voting for him
(8:28:57 PM) Me: I’m young
(8:29:05 PM) Jon G: you are almost above 25
(8:29:05 PM) Me: I’m voting for Fred Thompson, he appeals to me
(8:29:13 PM) Me: Dude I’m 26
(8:29:19 PM) Jon G: hahahahha even better
(8:29:31 PM) Me: WHO LET SCARECROW INTO THIS DEBATE?
(8:29:34 PM) Me: Ooops it’s ron paul
(8:29:35 PM) Jon G: but obama is drawing in the 18-25s that did no not normally vote
(8:29:52 PM) Me: don’t you mean ron paul?
(8:29:58 PM) Me: rEVOLution!
(8:30:06 PM) Jon G: no, obama has a much greater support base among young
(8:30:13 PM) Jon G: oh good income tax bullshit
(8:30:16 PM) Me: when’s the last time you saw an obama blimp?
(8:30:30 PM) Me: a blimp is a thing for young people (before they learn enough history to know about Hitler’s airship)
(8:30:35 PM) Jon G: HAHAHAHHAHA FREE MARKET ECONOMICS

Not even austria uses the austrian school of economics
(8:30:45 PM) Me: FREE MARKET ECONOMICS. THE POOR CAN BUY THEIR WAY INTO THE MIDDLE CLASS.
(8:30:45 PM) Jon G: god ron paul is a huge idiot
(8:30:57 PM) Me: I’m doing shots every time he brings up economics.
(8:31:16 PM) Jon G: hahahahahahaha i am just drinking heavily
(8:31:21 PM) Me: WTF kind of question is that aside of “yes”
(8:31:26 PM) Me: oh please more ron paul
(8:31:37 PM) Me: OH PLEASE TALK ABOUT GOLD.
(8:31:42 PM) Me: YES
(8:31:43 PM) Me: YES
(8:31:43 PM) Me: YES
(8:31:46 PM) Me: OH GOD I CAME
(8:31:50 PM) Jon G: uhh no oil wasn’t 27 a barrel
(8:31:57 PM) Jon G: oh here it comes
(8:32:20 PM) Jon G: damn i didn’t hear gold mentioned
(8:32:32 PM) Jon G: you have to remind me when paul is on
(8:32:32 PM) Me: Thompson is getting his rubber stamp, he’s going to do some paperwork
(8:32:42 PM) Me: Dude check my away message
(8:32:44 PM) Jon G: he’s reading his script for the new law and order movie
(8:32:44 PM) Me: click the link
(8:32:49 PM) Jon G: i have it on tv
(8:32:56 PM) Me: he’s got nothing better to do while paul is on TV, might as well
(8:33:11 PM) Jon G: oh shit, mccain just committed suicide
(8:33:20 PM) Me: ON WHAT?
(8:33:29 PM) Jon G: he admitted we have aproblem with global warming
(8:33:46 PM) Jon G: time for him to run as a independent
(8:33:48 PM) Me: yeah that’s not too much of a core problem in the party
(8:34:05 PM) Me: THOMPSON TALKS ABOUT FREE MARKET ECONOMICS
(8:34:27 PM) Jon G: hahahahahah free market economics=austrian school of economics=huge joke among actual economics
(8:34:38 PM) Me: I LOVE THOMPSON
(8:34:41 PM) Me: I WOULD HAVE HIS BABIES
(8:34:47 PM) Me: He talks about oil and politics
(8:34:57 PM) Me: And he’s like “Chinese india chinese africa”
(8:35:59 PM) Me: AAAAARGH GUILIANI
(8:36:01 PM) Jon G: hahahahahahha france is kicking our ass
(8:36:01 PM) Me: PLEASE KILL YOURSELF
(8:36:10 PM) Me: “We need to do energy like a man on the moon”
(8:36:21 PM) Me: Chiner?
(8:36:25 PM) Me: what country is chiner?
(8:36:26 PM) Jon G: hahahahahahahaha i hope ron paul replies to this
(8:36:36 PM) Jon G: jersey accent
(8:36:57 PM) Jon G: hahahahahahahahahahahahha what the hell did huckabee just say?
(8:37:08 PM) Me: He said something about making nuclear bombs
(8:37:12 PM) Jon G: the new electric cars get the equivelent of over 150 mpg
(8:37:22 PM) Me: I have a car that can do 100 miles to the gallon – THE PRIUS
(8:37:26 PM) Me: GO SEND YOUR MONEY TO JAPAN ASSHOLE
(8:37:29 PM) Jon G: i know
(8:37:50 PM) Me: 2010 is going to be the fucking apocalypse. Mitsubishi has an all electric car that comes with a GENERATOR THE SIZE OF A LUNCHBOX.
(8:37:54 PM) Me: A FUCKING LUNCHBOX
(8:38:03 PM) Jon G: oh god i just came
(8:38:42 PM) Me: Awww, I just got a Romney hug, I feel good with him being all inclusive.
(8:39:29 PM) Me: TELL RON PAUL NOT TO TOUCH MY CANDIDATE
(8:39:37 PM) Me: HE TOUCHED THOMPSON
(8:40:23 PM) Me: Haha, Obama was at the back
(8:40:27 PM) Me: OF THE STAGE
(8:40:31 PM) Jon G: yeah suck on obama
(8:40:42 PM) Jon G: he is going to destroy you guys
(8:40:47 PM) Me: oh please
(8:40:55 PM) Me: the bible belt gives him the nigga vote?
(8:41:09 PM) Me: (Hell I’ll vote for him if it comes down to guiliani or him)
(8:41:32 PM) Jon G: hahahahaha iowa is white as it gets
(8:41:43 PM) Jon G: plus bible belt is normally repub
(8:42:17 PM) Me: IOWA is a bit north for the bible belt